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Posted by AllenGriffiths (AU) on Friday, September 14, 2018 at 00:00
Differences between early T160 and Late T160 Tridents; In order of parts book.
1. Oil Feed pipe stub increased to 3/8” from 5/16”. 2. Early T160 heads don’t have H.D.A. cast into them 3. Early T160 Rocker boxes have 71-2535/6 castings later have 71-4245/6 4. Early T160 don’t have tacho cable support wire with grommet 5. Early T160 have ‘Finned’ outer exhaust clamps 6. Early 626/66, 67 have lighter throttle valve springs and a return spring on the throttle gantry, later just have throttle valve springs. Also 71-4400 operating arm spindles are shorter on the later units 7. Early inlet manifold stubs had a stepped groove machined in them, later ones have not. 8. Early gear change inspection covers had 5 speed decals attached 9. Later 5 speed layshafts had a stronger 5th gear design. 10. Later t160 starter motors had a different rear end shield and made during 11/74 11. Early outer primary covers had the T150 centre mount casings just machined off level with the quadrant face; also original thrust plate mount from T150 remains separate not integrated and no stop for gearshift pedal spindle, a second version also was used. (3 different types used)
12. Early T160 gearshift pedal spindles 57-4923 were attached differently; the early ones become loose after use. 13. Early frames have integrated R/H front engine mount, Very late (BN07XXX) have Fabricated Headstems 14. Later frames have a different L/H & R/H front engine mount bracket. 15. Later frames have rubber mounted rider footrests, with different footrest rubbers 16. Early models have round reflectors on headlamp brackets 17. Early T160 had silver square drive brake lever 83-5401 that had to be recalled. 18. Early T160 had solid oil cooler straps, later ones were hollowed 19. Early T160 had clear fuel pipe assemblies later had black plastic 20. Early T160 had no cut out and grommet on the oil tank styling cover 83-5362 21. Later T160 had larger feed hose 70-8904 22. Later T160 had Stainless Steel Fenders 23. Early T160 had Nylon lined Clutch cables, later were not. 24. Not sure if wire harnesses were changed, with AMP connectors for example.
I have not included USA, UK or European variants as these are in the parts book
I am using my XK0021X and NK064XX as examples
Would be of interest for future restorers at what point these changes occurred (engine #) Same goes for T150 and R3 variants over the years of production.
Please feel free to correct any of the above as XK0021X was second hand, NK064XX is original one owner.
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Hi Allen
What about the Wiggley Worm.
Cheers Gary W,
Hi Gary,
are there different gauges on T160's ?
I assume this is your NVT wiggly worm?
Cheers, Allen.
Hi Allen
The position of the NVT logo on the Rev counter face on Early and Late T160's.
Cheers Gary W.
Did the headlight brackets come in black and chrome versions. I have seen both.
Hi Jim,
We may have to ask others to prove this , but I have seen many black versions as an after-market option but not from new original purchases.
Best regards, Allen.
Hi,
Black ones have a separate reinforced indicator/turn signal mounting. They were first fitted to the '71 T100, the left-hand one included a mounting for the two-position ignition switch. Those were then fitted to '73/'74 T150's and '73-to-early-'79 twins, except only early-'79 twins had a left-hand one without the ignition switch mounting; during '79, these separate brackets were replaced by one-piece combined brackets-'n'-fork shrouds.
Hth.
Regards,
I think the black ones are T140, and from memory 3/8" shorter than T160 versions.
sam
So which year was "XK" actually built.?
Obviously one of the earliest machines by numerical order..
Thanks.
Don't worry - you answered this elsewhere.. :)
Hi Kilroy,
The XK I have has 3 numbers higher than a bike I saw in the UK with AK0021X so I assume it was built the last day of Dec 1974.
Just thought the table I produced my help some T160 owners/restorers like myself with parts identity, not sure?
Best regards, Allen.
Yes - well done. There is always more to understand.
So now I see that there may be low number XK bikes from Dec 74, and higher number XK bikes from Dec 75.?
I wonder why they bothered calling it "Year of manufacture" in the workshop manual..
:)
Hi Kilroy,
Triumph were a stange company with standards and records.
XK00101 was built middle of November '74 so it should have been a PK but the T150V had this and they new that most were to be exported so they would arrive from December onwards.
The last of the "1975" T160's were in the middle of October NK around NK066XX, where they changed to NN, then to PN, XN, AN, BN,and finally CN0721X so these should have been called 1976 models but officially were not, it took almost 6 months to produce the final 600 machines!
Best regards, Allen.
My early T160 has red reflectors on the rear grab rail
Peter
Hi Peter,
Have not seen a picture or info on this variation as the T160 just followed the '74 T150V setup.
I seen a late one with a black rear light housing, but this was introduced later in the T140 series
Was your bike purchased new by you?
I sometimes wonder what constitutes original?
The first day you purchased it?, as i had a number of 'original' assessories fitted out of the show room.
My bike (004xx) is a small tank High bar USA bike. The reflectors look original figment. It has the raised bosses on the headlight ears. Maybe the rear reflectors were USA requirement?
Peter
A question since I do not have a T160, the first triples used HDA heads and changed to AM heads in '71. They went back to HDA heads on the T160?
DM
I have seen an AM casting T160 head recently.
The common practice in UK engineering at the time would be to dual source components of this type.
So Triumph would typically pay 50% of the tooling costs for the component.
The foundry would own the other 50% which would prevent Triumph from shifting the patterns to another foundry.
Triumph could then source from either supplier.
In the day -- when strikes were commonplace -- this enabled supplies to be available from the other supplier if one supplier was on strike.
Also by 75 it was probably useful for Triumph to play one suupplier off against the other in respect of cash being tight --they might have been on stop from one supplier so procured supplies from the other.
BTW---HDA were High Duty Alloys --part of the Hawker Siddeley Group (the Hawker part as in Hawker Hurricane of 1940 Battle of Britain fame) based in Gloucester UK.
AM were Aeroplane ansd Motor Aluminium Castings based in Smethwick Birmingham UK who were part of the AE Group (Hepolite pistons, Glacier bearings etc etc).
When working in the UK engineering industry in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s I had dealings with all these companies.
Hope I havent bored you!
Hi Richard,
Not boring! I think that history on some of this is important, as we (moderns) may not leave information for the future like our forebears did. Motorcycle history can be found in old newspapers, publications when sharing was important to improve the beast, now performance and company secrets take precedence and the day all of this binary bullcrap vaporises with a solar pulse, I hope someone has bothered to printed all this !!!
Best regards, Allen.
Hi Dave,
I have the head off my early T160 (XK Dec '74) and I will compare this with the H.D.A T160 head I have, I suspect they are H.D.A manufacture but I will not assume this and put them side by side and let you know if there are any differences.
Best regards, Allen.
The very late fabricated headstock frames had their side stand lugs welded so that when the stand was used, it stuck out virtually horizontal and was practically useless unless rested on a kerb.
sam
Thank you Sam,
This information would not be obvious unless you owned one.
Best regards, Allen.
I can think of a couple, bump on head lamp ear, frames - head stock and engine front mount was different on later ones, owner manual change and battery ground changed from engine to rear left hand engine mount top bolt. oh the decal on the light panel stated ingition and the later ones oil
regards
Mark
The Frame Headstock and mounting brackets I did mention but thankyou for the other information I will amend my list with these noted.
Best regards, Allen.
one thing I have also noticed the rear sprocket was solid on some usa bikes, mine had one usa import CK02XXX my uk t160 (usa) has the hole type NK06558
regards
Mark
Hi Mark,
Was your solid rear sprocket Aluminium as MAP offer various sizes of these, I think from 43T upto 52T. has anyone else seen a solid sprocket on a T160 from the showroom new?
Best Regards, Allen.
Couple of comments.
Any T160 with the larger oil feed intake pipe would by necessity also feature the larger diameter oil line, plus the larger oil tank filter and union.
To my knowledge, no T160 ever featured reflectors on the headlight brackets. Due to the wide (5") front indicator stems fitted to T160's, many bikes suffered fractured headlight brackets when the bikes fell over and the indicators made contact with planet earth. Many replacement headlight brackets were not in fact T160 parts, as they became obsolete fairly early in the piece.
I have a "CK" (solid pegs) and an "HK" (rubber pegs) and they both feature the tacho cable stay - so it would seem your earlier "NK" had one removed. I would have expected your "NK" to have rubber pegs. My "HK" was purchased new in Australia.
Unless one knows all previous history it becomes impossible to know what any particular bike featured from new, and what may have been removed or fitted by previous owners.
Hi Kilroy,
NK064XX has rubber mounts as I said later frames have rubber footpeg mounts.
I purchased this bike new in melbourne with a few assessories fitted such as a Front crash bar, Gaitors (due to known leaks on front disc pads when on the side stand), indicator buzzer fitted, heavier ADV/RET springs and a Smiths Ammeter fitted, from the first day I picked it up.
I also remembered Torque arms are on the earlier model on the head bolts.
Yes there are lumps on the headlamp mounts on the earlier ones but no reflectors fitted, they have imformed me
Best regards, Allen.
Early T160s had 3.5 carburettor slides. later were 4's.
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